Recent school shooting in US, gun reform

[Hermskii]

We all sound very passionate about our beliefs here. Let's recall to stress what we believe but to do so without attacking what the others believe. That said, I'll just step right out and say if you really really think about it...I'm the only one here that is perfectly right! Hahahaha!

OK, OKAY. Yes. I jabbed in a humorous fashion just then. I want to clearly state that while I don't agree with some of what I have read here I appreciate the thought process at both ends of the discussion. It has not swayed my opinion and I'm unsure if it would sway anyone's but if one were to be swayed what was said here may do it.

Let's just step back here for a second and recall what we all agree with this being a terrible event period. Alertness has been increased across the board. Perceptions are peaked. That doesn't take away at all that I respect that each of you have an opinion even if it doesn't line up with mine. Se that! We disagreed and nobody got hurt. Let's do it like this if possible through the rest of this topic.

[EvilGrins]

*hits the person who wrote the post above this one with a pillow*

*drops a bucket of icy water on the person who writes the post below this one*

[Kelly]

I promised you excellent behavior Herm, and I will do nothing but that. I excused myself from this discussion because I think that emotions are beginning to heat and there is no real way to discuss this without running a serious risk of overreaction. You know me and how I just hate that sort of thing so I'm going to abstain

I do want to point out that EG defended me and I'd like to thank him for that. God knows I've spoken horribly to him and I did not deserve any support from him at all. If I were him I'd respond to me with a pitchfork and a mob. Well played EG.

[Hermskii]

Shakes head in amazement at Kelly's new-found abilities of forward observance and deep inner self control. My hand is just on the side of my face with my mouth wide open thinking wow! This Kelly rules! I'm impressed AND inspired. Thanks Kelly!

[Kelly]

I've been humbled beyond words Herm. It let me see how wrong I really was and trust me I'm quite ashamed of my behavior. It won't be happening again.

It's nice thought to have debates like this. I'm always interested in what views people have even if I don't share them. Sup should be commended for having the courage to step forward with such radical (and unpopular) answers to some tough questions. I admire his tenacity and I look forward to reading more of his posts. In fact Sup maybe we could chat on TS some evening about this stuff? It probably belongs more in a 'bloke-chat' than a forum anyway, and I'd be willing to let you try to change my mind. Heck, I've been wrong before

[-SuPreMe-]

Its possible Kelly, I like that your willing to learn an alternative perspective despite speculation. I wish i could say the same for EvilGrins, Sorry EG but you really do just repeat left/right jibber jabber, your ego is certainly getting in the way I dont think your really getting my message, theres no point me trying to show you anymore, as your bucket of labels are a plenty.

100% ego in you EG you dont care for the facts you just care for re-inforcing what you believe and I would be willing to bet you have not done any research on this stuff, that at the end of the day is what this comes too. You dont research how can you expect to learn all the facts, you just repeat the typical sheeple response of "crazy conspiracy theorists" right wing bullcrap lol. If u like i could list a bunch of keywords for you to google


I suggest you go and watch The Matrix movie a 2nd time, and see its metaphors.

Im not acting to annoy you or shame you, but you seem to be

so take the quiz http://red-pill.org/are-you-one-of-the- ... -the-quiz/ LOL



Its like poking at lions over here sometimes hehe

[Dragon]

Think
A lot of those poiliticians own guns, You think their going to give thier guns, and the thing is they don't have to because thier politicians and the off duty police officers you think thier going to give up thier guns. There's going to be the NRA and other groups who have guns that are going to fight this.
Now there's a lot people who are hooarding guns and ammo already.
This country is going to be experiencing a civil war and if this happens which it is starting already and if you don't have sometrhing to protect you and your familly then you are screwed.

[a nameless entity]

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The media are going on about........... gun reform, gun reform, gun reform. This has been staged to put the American public into more fear to get them to willingly give up their guns, its all about disarming the public guys, they're coming for your guns America.

it's all staged to bring in more fear, they want a population fearing its self so they can introduce more "security" and dissolve more civil liberties and freedoms.

Don't believe me? I say wait and see.


they roll out these things slowly that way people don't notice. Reflect on how civil liberties have decreased since 911 in the name of public security and the terrorist bogey man.

fear is a powerful tool a nation in fear is so much easier to manipulate.

There is indeed an agenda to remove guns from the population, not to say it WILL happen I'm just saying its on the governments cards it's on their agenda.

I refuse to believe the guy was just a nut that lost it and murdered a whole bunch of kids. You need to stop and think for a moment people don't do that what could possibly drive a person to do that[?]

Mind control is very real if you research into it, they're been doing it since the early 60's
anyway.
I'm not basing anything on superstition, I've heavily researched into this stuff mind control is VERY REAL. Google into MK ULTRA, Project Monarch, LSD mind control, Compartmentalization.

I don't care to just prove my point for the sake of my ego, I care to properly inform. I push this information because I CARE. At least do the research.

damn if I had the time I could post so many links and videos with information, but that doesn't work the best way is to get you guys to actually do your own searching and come to your own logical conclusions I can't force you to believe. I can only suggest [to] you a path.

I'll just say this, the truth is infinitely more crazy than you could possibly imagine and that's what makes it so exciting to research.

I suggest you go and watch The Matrix movie a 2nd time, and see its metaphors.

OK m8 please show me some of your research. Please post a list of the books you have read that are based on incontrovertible facts. I need solid facts. I can sift through any interpretations that go along with the facts and draw my own conclusions, just as you suggest that I do.

Please do not give me links to YouTube videos. I do not need or wish to watch multiple instances of 10 or 20 minutes of speculation based around one or two possible facts that are only suggested or alluded to, but never shown.

I read a book a couple of years ago called THEM, by Jon Ronson. In that book the author hung out with several people who are out on the fringe, in conspiracy theory land. At the end of the book he still felt that these people were out on the fringe, but he had had some very disturbing experiences that lent some credence to what these people were saying. He tried to smooth things over, and explain away the scarey things he saw and experienced, but in my mind he was not entirely successful at doing so.

I concede that facts are hard to come by sometimes, but there is a lot of work being done by respected journalists that lifts at least part of the veil. The work of Bill Moyers on his PBS television show "Moyers & Company" springs to mind.

If you can give me references to work by people of Mr. Moyer's ilk, then I will be happy to look it over.

[-SuPreMe-]

This is too much stress, im not going to post loads of links.
Ive said it does not work like that you need to find your own information.

There are thousands of angles you can take this stuff on with.

Heres a few google keywords to start I guess:

Federal Reserve
Bilderberg
Chemtrails
Zionism
Rothchild
Occult
Esoteric
Exoteric
Kabbalah
bohemian grove
Fluoridation
Aspartame
The great seal
Freemasonry
33rd degree
Illuminati bloodline
HAARP
Globalization
Novus ordo Seclorum
Annuit coeptis
Reptilian brain
Theosophical Society
Moloch
Zionist media
cognitive dissonance
all seeing eye
MK ULTRA
Project Monarch
BBC Pedophiles
hemp oil cancer cure
illuminati
knights templars
Luciferianism
false flag
Market manipulation
problem reaction solution
Bill Hicks
George Carlin
Anonymous
Occupy Movement
Hacktivism
The Artist Taxi Driver
Internet Censorship
cannabis medical uses
JFK truth
PsyOp
hemp uses
Free energy
Nikola Tesla
Palestinian genocide
Obama drone stike authorisation
Geoge Orwell
symbolism in hollywood
occult Disney
911 truth
Eugenics
pentagon no plane
ritual abuse
new world order
debt scam
RFID chips
FEMA camps
duality
learned ignorance
Rockerfeller
illuminati symbolism
occult hollywood
Aleister Crowley
golden dawn
black and white thinking
Apathy
Consumerism
order of the eastern star
Ordo Templi Orientis
Julian Assange
Joe Rogan
Wikileaks
Military Industrial Complex
Rick Clay

My minds missing somethings ill add to it maybe

Bare in mind im aware there is some disinformation out there, i have a pretty good bullshoo detector though.


I frankly dont care if you guys believe or not, it doesnt effect me. I just throw information at you.

[EvilGrins]

You know me and how I just hate that sort of thing so I'm going to abstain

*cough cough*

I do want to point out that EG defended me and I'd like to thank him for that. God knows I've spoken horribly to him and I did not deserve any support from him at all. If I were him I'd respond to me with a pitchfork and a mob. Well played EG.

I try...

...besides, somedays my own annoyance factor can skyrocket to scary levels.

[EvilGrins]

It's nothing personal Sup but you're not hashing anything I haven't heard before from, and sorry if you don't like the label, conspiracy theorists. You say much, offer plenty of random links, but you don't connect it to what you're talking about.

Your evidence lacks connectivity. Unless you can actually show it's connected to that shooter you might as well say Puff the Magic Dragon went rogue and forced Adam Lanza to kill.

Sorry EG but you really do just repeat left/right jibber jabber, your ego is certainly getting in the way I dont think your really getting my message, theres no point me trying to show you anymore, as your bucket of labels are a plenty.

100% ego in you EG you dont care for the facts

I can't care for your facts because you haven't shown any, and the entirety of your rants seem to almost be literally word for word what that Alex Jones guy, I went to his youtube account and listend to his stuff, was saying. You're kinda coming across as his puppet.

Also, anybody that actually knows me can tell you I've got like 0% ego. If you actually had presented what you said in a manner that actually had facts, facts you could show a direct connection to what went down, then I might be willing to listen to you... but you didn't. Not one thing you've shown in any way connects to what happened in Connecticut.

Saying that people have done mind control experiments, and for the record the Nazis were hardly the first, doesn't mean that someone did it to this one nutjob. See, what's what I mean. You point out that mind control has been done, and by that simple point you just assume it must have been done to Lanza.

That's not a fact and it certainly isn't proof. It's a sketchy hypothesis with very random speculation. You've left logic out of the equation.

Try again. Show where and how it was done to the guy. I'm willing to listen if you can actually provide some link between the two, rather than just assume there's one.

[-SuPreMe-]

I did kinda wonder off from my original topic lol, but its hard to create an understanding of what I propose if there is no understanding of the more fundermentals that i know to to be able to base my proposal off.

Anyway my reason to believe the guy was mind controlled is because everything went down just too perfectly, and fits into my understanding of how a governing body love to have a population in fear as it allows them to easily manipulate and ride on the outrage to introduce further freedom limiting security and the gun control agenda. Also im not so quick to just think a human being under a normal state of awareness would be able to do those things without somekind of outside influence, it wasnt exactly just a guy with a mask and a shotgun, he had an armored vest and i think a fully auto rifle of some sort. How could he be in an aware enough state to get properly prepared yet murder his own mother, the original personality would have to of been completely shut out for him to carry out those actions, what exact mental conditions do that? I cant comprehend a state of being like that, apart from an altered or implanted state.

It was a problem reaction solution moment too, where they create the problem study the reaction then provide a solution based off the manipulated reaction.

Screwed up things have been happening recently, a couple weeks ago a Australian radio host called up the floor nurse for Kate Middleton, they pretended to be the queen and managed to get some before then unreleased information on her pregnancy, 2 days later reports come in that the nurse committed suicide. Yeah right.

Its was an obvious one, and to me this school shooting was an obvious one too.
Its gut feeling aswell as looking at the Batman and Oslo shootings and knowing particular agendas for the elite.

As for Alex Jones lol, i dont listen to his crap, Alex Jones is an insider hes just here to rally people into anger and fear. He does address some truths but his methods suck and only really appeal to angry redneck types. I typically dont follow any high budget so called truth network, cant trust money.

I got abit too heated in earlier posts im aware but its frustrating sometimes lol


I really am gonna leave it now, too much stress to continue.

Use the keywords and delve deep

[Kelly]

Although I still disagree with you Sup, I did happen to run across this a few minutes ago:
http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-s ... to-testify
I find it....oddly interesting.

[-SuPreMe-]

Interesting find, see all it takes is the slightest inkling and this kind of stuff finds you.

Too many people run with straight away reports right after these kinds of things happen the reaction solution is over with before it all even gets a chance to pan out and be revealed, the media rely on this method to keep people more ignorant.

All i cared to do with this topic was use it to get you guys to question the things you already "know"

Ill try not to be soo forceful though, a sloppy method I shouldnt try and force things on you guys it really just ends up as a fail.

[a nameless entity]

Yes it is interesting Kelly. But read the article again. It strongly suggests that the young men must have gotten some last minute weapon training before they committed their crimes.

But when it comes to an assault rifle, you don't need training. You just point and shoot. I am assuming that in neither case was the weapon capable of full automatic. But you can pull the trigger as rapidly as the weapon loads the next bullet into the chamber, which is very very quickly. The results can be and were devastating in both cases.

The article has been carefully written to encourage the leap in logic that they want people to make. It IS interesting that the odds are so slim, but the article is also biased.