I do not get it.......

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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by Gregwards » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:46 pm

Hook wrote:Yep, when things are tough, people look to what can really help - God! :wink:
thats something i dont get.......
this maybe already on this site but i saw a pic on another, but i loled at it so pass the joy.

when a crisis happens theres 2 main groups of people.
religious and others (for lack of a better word)
religious people pray and when its sorted thank god
the other people donate money or go over to help support the rebuild. that money goes to help buy food, water and shelter to rebuild the affected areas. when its sorted they feel glad they helped (mostly (i think)).
what i dont get is what did god do? (apart from give hope (not money lol))

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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by David » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:00 pm

Gregwards wrote:thats something i dont get.......
this maybe already on this site but i saw a pic on another, but i loled at it so pass the joy. what i dont get is what did god do? (apart from give hope (not money lol))
A simple answer would be that he provided the means in which you can donate or help. May it be with monetary means, talent, skill or other (such as being at the right place at the right time). I know this will not satisfy your hunger for a "real" answer, but that is where faith and hope can help fill the gaps. " faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true."

Just my 2 cents worth. I am not a person who normally gets involved in talks with politics and religion.
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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by a nameless entity » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:35 pm

I hope it was clear that I wasn't necessarily pushing religion.
I was pointing out that people are tired of the amoral status quo, and that is why they are flocking back to the churches. People know that they can get a good moral grounding from the teachings in a church, which of course is a church's whole "raison d'etre" (reason for being).
I was also trying to imply that the old established churches are still, regrettably, seen as part of the status quo, which is one reason perhaps, why the evangelicals are thriving.

I am on a bit of a spiritual journey myself. It's not surprising, I have reached that age where you want to start pondering these things.
Books I've read over the last year or two:

What the *bleep* do we know!? Based on the film of the same name, the book is much better. It discusses how and why science and religion parted ways, and how they are moving toward one another again. Science has apparently come to the conclusion that there is an intelligence behind the very working of the universe itself. Read the book to find out why they think so. There are also many other ideas covered.

Inspiration by Dr. Wayne Dyer. Yes, he's the guy you see on PBS during pledge drives. This is his best book of the ones I have read. I liked this one so much that I bought my own copy instead of borrowing it from the library yet again.

The Pagan Christ by Tom Harpur. This could be a very upsetting book to read for Christians. Very carefully written for the layman, I still had to read it 3 times to get the most I could out of it. You must read it all the way through to the end to get the full value of what he is saying. I also bought a copy of this book, so that I could read it whenever I like instead of waiting my turn at the library.

My apologies to David for high jacking his thread. I now turn it back over to the original subject. :oops: :wink:
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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by David » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:12 pm

No problem Nameless.. What would this forum be if there was no hijacking... :wink: It is all good and I feel that it is good for all to share their view point.

As Hermskii would say...."PEACE!!" (even though I (David) like a good fight now and then. 8) )
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Post by Terraniux » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:34 am

Why do we have governments, politics and police, despite they are as corrupt as hell.
They don't know anything, abseluty nothing about charity. It is all about money.

The money-system is made to (brain)control almost every human on this planet, and in the very end you see what the final result of this beast is.

Why are we still using 'money' in this world?
I don't get it.

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Post by David » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:00 pm

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43339983/ ... ?GT1=43001

I don't get it. Rich people die and then will the money to their animals. I understand if it is to be used to take care of the animal, but million upon millions..
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Post by Gregwards » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:26 pm

Terraniux wrote:Why do we have governments, politics and police, despite they are as corrupt as hell.
They don't know anything, abseluty nothing about charity. It is all about money.

The money-system is made to (brain)control almost every human on this planet, and in the very end you see what the final result of this beast is.

Why are we still using 'money' in this world?
I don't get it.
the money system is used to motivate people. if there was no money everything would have to be free and then no one would get any work done for example. if there was no currency what whould be the point in having a job? why not just go have fun? it may seem simpler but would do more harm than good.

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Post by -SuPreMe- » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:52 pm

Terraniux wrote:Why do we have governments, politics and police, despite they are as corrupt as hell.
They don't know anything, abseluty nothing about charity. It is all about money.

The money-system is made to (brain)control almost every human on this planet, and in the very end you see what the final result of this beast is.

Why are we still using 'money' in this world?
I don't get it.
Soo true.

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Post by Gregwards » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:43 am

what i find funny is your saying how bad money is yet if i were to offer you £1,000,000 tax free lol i bet none of you would say no. reason being money is an inanimate object. its what you do with the money and how far you can be controlled by money thats the problem. i personally think of money nothing more than pieces of metal and paper i occasionally go to the shop and exchange for what ever. for my mates bday a couple of weeks ago i wiped her dept clean (again) as well as get her a few other bits and bobs.

what i think im trying to say is all these conspiracy theories some have proven to be true but others are just made up theories. as for mind control, hypnotist have been doing thast for years, what i found is they cant make you do anythink you dont want to. as for a big scale thing i doupt it too many people would of caught on to it by now.

plus guess what ITS PAYDAY!!!!!!!! LOL

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Post by Terraniux » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:34 am

@ Gregwards:


As long money exists, there will never be a fair and balanced world. If you see a commercial on tv that shows you how bad things are in certain areas around the world, and they kindly ask you to support them with a tiny donation; Is there any reason to feel bad for them because the lack of money, food&water, and 'necessary' supplies?

Of course we humans must help each other no matter what situation, but it does not solve the problem in this situation. The source of the evil is still there and you are only stimulating it with money. The only thing we need to do is give them the help they really want.

You can't fight evil with evil.

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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by Gregwards » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:29 am

fighting evil with evil is the same as fighting fire with fire. it dont usually work. i agree what i dont agree on is that money is "evil". its like saying guns kill people. its not the gun that kills its the person holding the gun. same with money, money isnt evil its the person with the money thats evil. the only thing i dont like about money is how people are paid millions of quid to do something like kick a ball. thats where the money system needs re-organising. why teachers, doctors and the people who make the world go round struggle to make ends meat on low paid jobs when the people who do nothing for this world get paid till their hearts content. as for the commercials what you have to remember it says donate like £2 a week or what not but does it say how much of that £2 will go towards helping them and not in their board members pockets (which does happen). plus those adverets only affect people with a heart, me personally couldnt care for people i dont know when the people i do are hurting enough as it is. the only way to replace money would be to have some other form of currency which would basically be the same thing.

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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by Terraniux » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:05 am

Hm..... agreed.
Money = power
Knowledge= might
Human= unstable being that uses max 10% of his brain.
But, it is the money that makes us bad guys, without knowing.

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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by Hermskii » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:52 am

I don't want in the middle of this but I am pretty sure that nobody is MAKING anybody USE money.
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Re: I do not get it.......

Post by BIOMECH » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:39 pm

Terraniux wrote:@ Gregwards:
As long money exists, there will never be a fair and balanced world.
Well, ancient Egypt had an economy with no money, everything was done by trading. I'm sure everyone knows just how "fair and balanced" their society was.

As has been mentioned previously, the problem is not with money but with humanity. There will never be a completely fair and balanced world unless something very, very strange happens.
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Post by Gregwards » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:03 pm

BIOMECH wrote:
Terraniux wrote:@ Gregwards:
As long money exists, there will never be a fair and balanced world.
Well, ancient Egypt had an economy with no money, everything was done by trading. I'm sure everyone knows just how "fair and balanced" their society was.

As has been mentioned previously, the problem is not with money but with humanity. There will never be a completely fair and balanced world unless something very, very strange happens.
but isnt that why you love humanity. not for whats good about it its all the imperfections that make humanity what it is and everyone different. the proof is all over this (and all) forum. the fact that some of of beleive in a god, whilst others dont and some beleive someone did come but it wernt a "god". plus while you have all this its not just one god theres loads. and thats just one example, there are loads. its all our imperfections that make us perfect (which is very ironic).

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