Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
- -SuPreMe-
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Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
Ok so about 2 hours ago i see on the news 28 (or more) people shot dead in a massacre. by a 20odd yr old man, killed his mother his brother, teachers, and children.
The media are going on about mental illness blah blah blah, gun reform gun reform gun reform. This has been staged to put the american public into more fear to get them to willingly give up their guns, its all about disarming the public guys, they're coming for your guns america.
The same can be said about the Batman shooting a few months back, its all staged to bring in more fear, they want a population fearing its self so they can introduce more "security" and dissolve more civil liberties and freedoms.
Dont believe me? I say wait and see. The media is trying to convince people the guy had mental illness. No, people don't just kill their entire family and loads of children with a automatic weapon wearing a bullet proof vest and with no motive, the guys mind was messed with and he was prepared.
Oslo killings in Normway was also the same thing fear spreading, fear is a powerful tool a nation in fear is soo much easier to manipulate.
Also to any who saw Obamas little speech on this, those fake tears wer just shameful
Thoughts?
The media are going on about mental illness blah blah blah, gun reform gun reform gun reform. This has been staged to put the american public into more fear to get them to willingly give up their guns, its all about disarming the public guys, they're coming for your guns america.
The same can be said about the Batman shooting a few months back, its all staged to bring in more fear, they want a population fearing its self so they can introduce more "security" and dissolve more civil liberties and freedoms.
Dont believe me? I say wait and see. The media is trying to convince people the guy had mental illness. No, people don't just kill their entire family and loads of children with a automatic weapon wearing a bullet proof vest and with no motive, the guys mind was messed with and he was prepared.
Oslo killings in Normway was also the same thing fear spreading, fear is a powerful tool a nation in fear is soo much easier to manipulate.
Also to any who saw Obamas little speech on this, those fake tears wer just shameful
Thoughts?
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- Kelly
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
Sup, it would take a generation to remove any appreciable amount of guns from Americans. Every house has one (at least).
This isn't about guns, it's about how we are raising our children (or not as the case seems to be).
This isn't about guns, it's about how we are raising our children (or not as the case seems to be).
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Kelly thats the exact regurgitation im talking about, fear of your own population. People believing the population is littered with crazy psychopaths that perform massacres.
Getting the people to blame them selves how they've brought up their children etc, those are still problems but not the reason for this problem.
Like i said dont beleive me, wait and see.
Oh and they have a generation, they rollout these things slowly that way people dont notice. Reflect on how civil liberties have decreased since 911 in the name of public security and the terrorist boogey man.
Getting the people to blame them selves how they've brought up their children etc, those are still problems but not the reason for this problem.
Like i said dont beleive me, wait and see.
Oh and they have a generation, they rollout these things slowly that way people dont notice. Reflect on how civil liberties have decreased since 911 in the name of public security and the terrorist boogey man.
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1) He didn't kill his entire family. His brother Ryan is very much alive, cleared of all charges.
2) Even without guns, this sorta thing still happens. Another guy, which hasn't made the news as much in the states as we tend to focus within our borders, went on a knife frenzy at a school in China. 22 kids were hospitalized:
http://t.co/m1MpwpRU
3) Mentally unstable I'd buy. A lot better than accepting these were complete sane people going to schools and slaughtering children.
4) You don't know Obama's tears were fake. He is a parent after all. I saw people crying about this on the train today and I live in California, which is far removed from where this school shooting was.
You ask me, it's shameful to just assume that Obama was faking tears for effect.
5) We had the terrorist boogeyman long before 9/11. That wasn't the first attack al-Qaeda did on American soil. Not to mention we've had other terrorists within the US that had nothing to do with Islam or that part of the world.
Remember the IRA? Sure, their primary target wasn't the US but that didn't stop them from operating within our borders and occasionally fighting our law enforcement services.
2) Even without guns, this sorta thing still happens. Another guy, which hasn't made the news as much in the states as we tend to focus within our borders, went on a knife frenzy at a school in China. 22 kids were hospitalized:
http://t.co/m1MpwpRU
3) Mentally unstable I'd buy. A lot better than accepting these were complete sane people going to schools and slaughtering children.
4) You don't know Obama's tears were fake. He is a parent after all. I saw people crying about this on the train today and I live in California, which is far removed from where this school shooting was.
You ask me, it's shameful to just assume that Obama was faking tears for effect.
5) We had the terrorist boogeyman long before 9/11. That wasn't the first attack al-Qaeda did on American soil. Not to mention we've had other terrorists within the US that had nothing to do with Islam or that part of the world.
Remember the IRA? Sure, their primary target wasn't the US but that didn't stop them from operating within our borders and occasionally fighting our law enforcement services.
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
I agree with much of what each of you have said.
Yes Supreme, they, (liberals) want to take our guns.
Yes Kelly, they, (liberals) will never even come close to getting them or passing laws to keep them from the people
Yes EvilGrins, I struggle to think Obama would fake crying or even could.
I do think young Americans are mostly insane and stupid and lazy. I do think we will see plenty more of this to come and much much worse too. I do blame it on America's failure to keep religious beliefs in everything we do namely at home and in schools. Yes, I do think the best of times are passed already. I struggle to imagine America making it past 2013 at this point. I put it somewhere else earlier but I'll put it here too now:
Yes Supreme, they, (liberals) want to take our guns.
Yes Kelly, they, (liberals) will never even come close to getting them or passing laws to keep them from the people
Yes EvilGrins, I struggle to think Obama would fake crying or even could.
I do think young Americans are mostly insane and stupid and lazy. I do think we will see plenty more of this to come and much much worse too. I do blame it on America's failure to keep religious beliefs in everything we do namely at home and in schools. Yes, I do think the best of times are passed already. I struggle to imagine America making it past 2013 at this point. I put it somewhere else earlier but I'll put it here too now:
~Peace~
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
No worries there. The world is ending next Friday.Hermskii wrote:I do think we will see plenty more of this to come and much much worse too.



- Kelly
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
First, I'm not a fan of Obama. Didn't vote for him and likely never would. However I think it bears keeping in mind that anyone advancing to upper level politics in America obviously lives and breathes for the American dream. Of course this can be their version but no one embodies this ideal more than the president. Our sitting president spends every waking day confronted with the problems and travails of US (and by extension the world's) society. Arguably no one is confronted with more decisions to be made concerning US policy and no one has a more vested interest in doing the right thing or making the right call.
Because of this I think it's shameful to suggest his visceral reaction wasn't at least partially real. Yeah, he runs the country but he's also a father and a husband and a human being. He gets the same benefit of the doubt as anyone else. BTW, here's something else to think about...How would you feel if you weren't 'allowed' to express emotion about the shootings? Obama can't, lest he appears 'weak' to certain factions who monitor this sort of thing. He's not allowed to shed a tear, even if it's natural inclination.
Now Sup, I think you are partially right but it has nothing at all to do with guns. Most of western society has grown this coming generation with a level of permissiveness and lack of self-control and responsibility such that young adults overwhelmingly are self-centered and narcissistic. I see this every day in my job, kids are consumed by their phones and tablets and don't give a "Expletive Deleted" about what goes on around them. Never mind that actual BLAME might fall on them because there's always an excuse. These self-absorbed idiots overreact to things because they never learned to take their medicine as kids. Spend a little time around kids 10-13 and see how they play. It's nothing like you remember it was, trust me.
And lest my post be all negative, let me share a link I got a bit ago. It will help balance the negative:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments- ... ity-this-y
Because of this I think it's shameful to suggest his visceral reaction wasn't at least partially real. Yeah, he runs the country but he's also a father and a husband and a human being. He gets the same benefit of the doubt as anyone else. BTW, here's something else to think about...How would you feel if you weren't 'allowed' to express emotion about the shootings? Obama can't, lest he appears 'weak' to certain factions who monitor this sort of thing. He's not allowed to shed a tear, even if it's natural inclination.
Now Sup, I think you are partially right but it has nothing at all to do with guns. Most of western society has grown this coming generation with a level of permissiveness and lack of self-control and responsibility such that young adults overwhelmingly are self-centered and narcissistic. I see this every day in my job, kids are consumed by their phones and tablets and don't give a "Expletive Deleted" about what goes on around them. Never mind that actual BLAME might fall on them because there's always an excuse. These self-absorbed idiots overreact to things because they never learned to take their medicine as kids. Spend a little time around kids 10-13 and see how they play. It's nothing like you remember it was, trust me.
And lest my post be all negative, let me share a link I got a bit ago. It will help balance the negative:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments- ... ity-this-y
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
Some good contributions guys, (apart from EvilGrins not to be rude but your heads just deep in the sand my friend). Their is indeed an agenda to remove guns from the population, not to say it WILL happen im just saying its on the governments cards its on their agenda.
I refuse to believe the guy was just a nut that lost it and murdered a whole bunch of kids. You need to stop and think for a moment people dont do that what could possibly drive a person to do that. In the UK theres a man called Derren Brown, hes a hypnotist/cognitive therapist, he done a TV show where he recreated a scenario similar to the JFK shooting where he found an impressionable young man, and programmed and conditioned him to assassinate UK celebrity Steven Fry.
Ofcourse the gun wasnt real and what not but the guy doing it did not know that and carried out the actions. This is what i believe has happend in this case and the batman case, an impressionable young man has been conditioned and programmed to when he gets the trigger (image/sound/word) he will go into this programmed state and have no idea what hes doing. He becomes a robot acting out a program.
Mind control is very real if you research into it, they're been doing it since the early 60's
anyway.
Obamas tears couldnt be more fake, Obama does not give a flying POOP about the american people, hes just a talking head a public figure he makes no decisions he just makes public speeches etc. He bloody authorizes drone strikes that kill innocent mothers and children in places like yemen, and you think he has real tears? ha.
Its very true that the current generation is full of sick lost mislead consumer drone people with no values, but its not quite a generation of mass murdering psychopaths, they would have you believe this as its easier to enroll more security and liberty removal, with it justified by fear.
EvilGrins are you aware of the term "false flag" ?
I refuse to believe the guy was just a nut that lost it and murdered a whole bunch of kids. You need to stop and think for a moment people dont do that what could possibly drive a person to do that. In the UK theres a man called Derren Brown, hes a hypnotist/cognitive therapist, he done a TV show where he recreated a scenario similar to the JFK shooting where he found an impressionable young man, and programmed and conditioned him to assassinate UK celebrity Steven Fry.
Ofcourse the gun wasnt real and what not but the guy doing it did not know that and carried out the actions. This is what i believe has happend in this case and the batman case, an impressionable young man has been conditioned and programmed to when he gets the trigger (image/sound/word) he will go into this programmed state and have no idea what hes doing. He becomes a robot acting out a program.
Mind control is very real if you research into it, they're been doing it since the early 60's
anyway.
Obamas tears couldnt be more fake, Obama does not give a flying POOP about the american people, hes just a talking head a public figure he makes no decisions he just makes public speeches etc. He bloody authorizes drone strikes that kill innocent mothers and children in places like yemen, and you think he has real tears? ha.
Its very true that the current generation is full of sick lost mislead consumer drone people with no values, but its not quite a generation of mass murdering psychopaths, they would have you believe this as its easier to enroll more security and liberty removal, with it justified by fear.
EvilGrins are you aware of the term "false flag" ?
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Re: Recent school shooting in US, gun reform
If I paint the walls black, turn all the lights out and say the walls are white, are they white?
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- Kelly
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@lights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Also, you lost all credibility by using Derren Brown as an example. The guy is a magician, everything he does is suspect simply by the nature of how he entertains. You can't possibly use him as your litmus test of scientific probability.
Manipulation is real, mind control is not. We all have free will. I cannot remove your conscience no matter what I do.
Also, you lost all credibility by using Derren Brown as an example. The guy is a magician, everything he does is suspect simply by the nature of how he entertains. You can't possibly use him as your litmus test of scientific probability.
Manipulation is real, mind control is not. We all have free will. I cannot remove your conscience no matter what I do.
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Errm Kelly im not basing anything on superstition, Ive heavily researched into this stuff mind control is VERY REAL. Google into MK ULTRA, Project Monarch, LSD mind control, Compartmentalization.
Nazi scientists introduced mind control its been used in soo many black operations.
To say there is no such thing is very foolish and naive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick
Television is mind control, advertising is mind control, music is mind control. You need to research this stuff properly before just dismissing it because its outside of your current limited beliefs.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_was_holly ... _Hollywood
My ego is aside i dont care to just prove my point for the sake of my ego, i care to properly inform. I push this information because I CARE. Atleast do the research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
damn if i had the time I could post soo many links and videos with information, but that doesnt work the best way is to get you guys to actually do your own searching and come to your own logical conclusions i cant force you to believe. I can only suggest you a path.
Looking at a painting with a magnifying glass, you will only see a tiny portion of the picture, what you need to do is stand back and take a look at the whole picture only then can you begin to understand the individual components.
Nazi scientists introduced mind control its been used in soo many black operations.
To say there is no such thing is very foolish and naive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick
Television is mind control, advertising is mind control, music is mind control. You need to research this stuff properly before just dismissing it because its outside of your current limited beliefs.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_was_holly ... _Hollywood
My ego is aside i dont care to just prove my point for the sake of my ego, i care to properly inform. I push this information because I CARE. Atleast do the research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
damn if i had the time I could post soo many links and videos with information, but that doesnt work the best way is to get you guys to actually do your own searching and come to your own logical conclusions i cant force you to believe. I can only suggest you a path.
Looking at a painting with a magnifying glass, you will only see a tiny portion of the picture, what you need to do is stand back and take a look at the whole picture only then can you begin to understand the individual components.
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- Kelly
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This is a bit...um...outside the lines for you, isn't it? I always thought you to be pretty clear headed and logical dude. This stuff is conspiracy theory, it's silly, and I'm really not interested in continuing debating it.
In your original post you suggested these mass killings are 'staged' (your word). I felt like that needed a thoughtful response but the farther we go down your rabbit holes the less I think you'll listen to logical reasoning and cogent arguments.
I'm out. No offense bro.
In your original post you suggested these mass killings are 'staged' (your word). I felt like that needed a thoughtful response but the farther we go down your rabbit holes the less I think you'll listen to logical reasoning and cogent arguments.
I'm out. No offense bro.
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Thats right dude, cover your ears and close your eyes, make the pain go away LOL.
Im used to it, Im used to the pre-programmed responses of people instantly dismissing anything and labeling it conspiracy when the evidence becomes overwhelming for them.
To be honest Kelly your a smart guy, but your probably too old to be unplugged there is a point of no return per say. I wont push it further.
I mean the Federal Reserve Bank printing money and then loaning it to the government with every dollar having a non existent debt counter part where the government then has to pay back 2x what it borrowed in the 1st place even though 50% of that is purely non existent is nothing of a conspiracy is it, the private banking cartels are your friends and have your best interests at heart lol and thats just one level of this.
Ill just say this, the truth is infinitely more crazy than you could possibly imagine and thats what makes it so exciting to research.

Im used to it, Im used to the pre-programmed responses of people instantly dismissing anything and labeling it conspiracy when the evidence becomes overwhelming for them.
To be honest Kelly your a smart guy, but your probably too old to be unplugged there is a point of no return per say. I wont push it further.
I mean the Federal Reserve Bank printing money and then loaning it to the government with every dollar having a non existent debt counter part where the government then has to pay back 2x what it borrowed in the 1st place even though 50% of that is purely non existent is nothing of a conspiracy is it, the private banking cartels are your friends and have your best interests at heart lol and thats just one level of this.
Ill just say this, the truth is infinitely more crazy than you could possibly imagine and thats what makes it so exciting to research.

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1) There's a difference between trying to free the minds of others and just blindly calling anyone an idiot because they don't agree with you. Clearly -SuPreMe- you're in the latter category.
2) Obama doesn't care about the American people? Riiiiiight. That whole line there is just so much poop. He is an American, his children are American; you saying he doesn't care about them too?
3) I've a friend who is a major conspiracy buff, and you sound like you've fallen further down the rabbit hole than he is.
4) The only part of your rant that holds any water is that there are people that would like to take our guns away. For the record, i'm not one of them but I'm not wholly opposed to some moderation. I don't like guns but i believe if that people want them they should have them. Although, many people that do have them shouldn't. not a week goes by, and i listen to the news daily, where i don't hear about some family who lost a kid or a friend's kids because their children found a weapon in the house and played around with it, not realizing the safety was off or that it was loaded.
Back in the day when we were all given the right to bear arms, it was still frontier times. Parents taught their children how to operate guns around the same age they were first going to school. Modern day, not so much. Parents tell their kids don't go in there or don't touch these things. Not much of a deterrent.
5) I ask you, what's more likely? That a deep mysterious organization used mind control on the recent school shooting on Connecticut in order to force him to murder people, his mother, and a bunch of random little kids... or that he had mental issues, snapped and that's why he did it?
If you pick the first one, it's you with your head in the sand. The oxygen deprivation from having your hand under sand is making you delusional.
Hell, maybe it wasn't mind control and maybe he wasn't crazy. Maybe he was wholly sane and just a really REALLY bad person. Funny, nobody's considered that
6) The whole evidence becomes overwhelming for them thang doesn't fly because you haven't presented any evidence. You've tossed out a number of random thoughts, not all of it related to what happened, and are using those as the basis for your argument. You haven't shown one bit of evidence pertaining to this particular shooter being in anyway connected to the random links of possibilities.
That would be evidence. got any of that?
7) I think you're drinking Alex Jones' kool-aid.
8 ) On the offchance this does lead to those in power taking away our guns, I hope they take yours. You are CLEARLY too crazy to own any kind of firearm.
2) Obama doesn't care about the American people? Riiiiiight. That whole line there is just so much poop. He is an American, his children are American; you saying he doesn't care about them too?
3) I've a friend who is a major conspiracy buff, and you sound like you've fallen further down the rabbit hole than he is.
4) The only part of your rant that holds any water is that there are people that would like to take our guns away. For the record, i'm not one of them but I'm not wholly opposed to some moderation. I don't like guns but i believe if that people want them they should have them. Although, many people that do have them shouldn't. not a week goes by, and i listen to the news daily, where i don't hear about some family who lost a kid or a friend's kids because their children found a weapon in the house and played around with it, not realizing the safety was off or that it was loaded.
Back in the day when we were all given the right to bear arms, it was still frontier times. Parents taught their children how to operate guns around the same age they were first going to school. Modern day, not so much. Parents tell their kids don't go in there or don't touch these things. Not much of a deterrent.
5) I ask you, what's more likely? That a deep mysterious organization used mind control on the recent school shooting on Connecticut in order to force him to murder people, his mother, and a bunch of random little kids... or that he had mental issues, snapped and that's why he did it?
If you pick the first one, it's you with your head in the sand. The oxygen deprivation from having your hand under sand is making you delusional.
Hell, maybe it wasn't mind control and maybe he wasn't crazy. Maybe he was wholly sane and just a really REALLY bad person. Funny, nobody's considered that

6) The whole evidence becomes overwhelming for them thang doesn't fly because you haven't presented any evidence. You've tossed out a number of random thoughts, not all of it related to what happened, and are using those as the basis for your argument. You haven't shown one bit of evidence pertaining to this particular shooter being in anyway connected to the random links of possibilities.
That would be evidence. got any of that?
7) I think you're drinking Alex Jones' kool-aid.
8 ) On the offchance this does lead to those in power taking away our guns, I hope they take yours. You are CLEARLY too crazy to own any kind of firearm.