Recent school shooting in US, gun reform

[-SuPreMe-]

It is possible to program an alter into someones mind that will be of a completely different personality, for example a trained killer.

The existing personality will have no awareness of it because its isolated in the victims mind using methods such as shock treatment and many heavy trauma techniques that can induce memory supression (a natural mind defense mechanism)

They then use trigger phrases or images to snap the person into that alter state.

That article talks about a high end banking related figure being involved right? It could fit a suited agenda.

not saying this is all the case but it is possible.

[Kelly]

This isn't meant to sound smug so please don't read it that way but I'm pretty well acquainted with assault rifles. I served combat time in the first desert storm so I got to see what one properly motivated person can do with the right equipment.

Now I'm not anti-gun but the whole idea of assault type weapons really bothers me. I know people should have their freedoms and I back most of the NRA's positions but on the flip side I know what one accurate shooter can accomplish in a small amount of time with minimal effort. For me I'm about to decide that the cost is just too great given the way our society has degraded and that I'd probably back some sort of moratorium on their sale.

About the article...well I posted it knowing what the response would be but I felt it might continue the conversation in the right way. One must be careful when looking too hard for something because you start to see it everywhere. Still I thought the article (biased as it was) made an interesting discussion point.

One thing Sup that I might suggest for you. Nameless challenged you to post proof of your claims and that's not something to be ignored. I run into this little gem a lot when defending Christianity but it's apropos here too: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You can shout "Aliens have landed!" from every rooftop but you are still a quack in everyone's mind UNTIL you present a little green body. You posted:

It is possible to program an alter into someones mind that will be of a completely different personality, for example a trained killer.

I'd like to see the abstract of the scientific study that proves this.

You'll find a much more receptive audience when you back your positions with research. If you can't find that research or it's just sketchy then you ought to reevaluate your position.

[-SuPreMe-]

I could spend lots of time finding links and sources but it takes ages, most of the things i speak of are things ive picked up and learnt on my own personal journey.

I dunno i could post links to back my claims but its an awfully tedius process as I dont so much actively learn things that way. I often come across things in an almost synchronistic manner. I find whenever im aware of a certain topic, concept or whatever, the information will automatically find its way to me.

I admit my original claims were purely based off my own understandings and dot connecting. So I dont have a link at hand to back such things, but i bet you there are some out there.

Regarding Mind Control a 15 second google search, some pretty good information:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol

I mean all you need to do is input the right words and things will open up to you, just knowing the right words is powerful, most people dont understand the concept of something does not exist to you until you first learn the correct words.

One common theme ive noticed with all people is that, they are often too content with what they know and believe, most of the infinite curiosity we have as children is killed off during the schooling process.

Seriously guys google some of those keywords i put in a previous post, you will be amazed what opens up to you.

Not to mention im lazy ok lol so thats another reason for my lack of links and sources.

[Kelly]

OK look, if you are too lazy to back up your assertions then don't publish them. It's rude to tell someone "You must believe me, but you'll have to look up why yourself."

If you want to have a logical debate about any facet of what you are proposing I'll be glad to do that but I need you to know that I'll aggressively pursue any weakness in your position. I don't stand much for weak arguers and so far you've proven diddly squat.

And don't post a bunch of 50's era psychological 'studies' because a first year psych student knows that huge swaths of 'research' were faked during the cold war as a way of creating false rhetoric for all the supposed communist spies that McCarthy swore were everywhere. Almost none of it has been repeated since the early 70's because it wasn't true the first time around.

'Mind control' does not exist in the way you are saying. Hypnotism is not able to reprogram someone to do things they wouldn't normally do. You can't dissect a person's humanity and create dual or triple persons in the same body and essentially tell one to ignore the other. I mean think about this for just a moment...If this were even feasible then why would JUST the government be able to do it? Hell the gov. has NEVER been on the cutting edge of any sort of progress. It's been research scientists and private groups that make the discoveries and then the gov. coops the results and uses them for it's own agenda. If it were even remotely possible to do mind control you'd see it used over and over again by corporations and entities with a lot less scruples than our elected officials. Nah, what you see time and again is simple arrogance on the part of big business. They don't try to hide a damn thing.

Now, I challenge you to either up your game or shut it down. If you want to play in this sandbox then let's get it on, but just know I'm going to rip you apart at the slightest lapse in your logic. (Respectfully of course, I do indeed like you Sup)

[-SuPreMe-]

Well to be honest after reading that I really cannot be bothered and im going to leave it.
I have nothing to gain if you choose to dis-believe then so be it, this is the typical problem people need it written in stone or they just dismiss.

The left brain demands structure and logic it cannot think outside the box or be intuitive.
Im not gonna go out of my way to structure things and tailor things for you.
Because the left brain will always create a structured dismissal.

Mind control is very real Kelly i assure you, its a taboo subject, its not mainstream knowledge, it has multiple levels to it and different types and uses and what not, you think advertising is not mind control? Whats next? Zionists are not real? lol Anyway youll find more traditional mind control has more occult ties than anything else.

I really need a face to face a heart to heart to properly engage with and reach somebody in this way, the topics are too profound and will destroy your current understanding of reality, I cant do anymore through this forum i simply cannot be fussed with it.

Its fine no love lost, i care not.

Maybe we can get on a chat application of some sort one day Kelly.

[Kelly]

Fair enough. I still love you bro. Maybe a little coop together this weekend?

[-SuPreMe-]

Ill see dude often busy at weekends though, do you by any chance use facebook?

[-SuPreMe-]

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/operatio.htm

In detail on Project Monarch

[Kelly]

Yeah I do. This is me:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004648950951
My entire thing is public, no need to friend me if you don't want to.

[EvilGrins]

Totally sane people can do things that are seemingly insane without being crazy themselves. I don't know that Adam Lanza was sane or insane, although recent interviews with people that have known him over the course of his life does lend one to believe the guy had a number of other issues that were troubling.

1) Couldn't feel pain.

2) Seemed borderline sociopathic.

3) A babysitter was asked specifically by Adam's mother never to turn his back on the kid.

So Adam was certainly problematic.

I have a little problem with when someone does anything wrong people tend to go out of their way to start making excuses for it. Not the insanity stuff, cuz that'd still be on him. No, someone else made him do it. He was manipulated. Stuff like that.

This is borderline the same kinda stuff you get when the FBI tracks a serial killer into a perfectly normal peaceful neighborhood and everybody goes "But he seemed like such a nice young man."

As SUP stated above, 2nd to last one before this post, it's hard for him to convince others of what he knows. He then follows that up with what he believes. Lots of people do this, they take what they believe to be an incontrovertible fact.

Is it possible Adam Lanza could have been manipulated into doing this?

Yes...

...but until someone can actually prove it, to just out and out say that's what happened, it doesn't work for me.

[-SuPreMe-]

Pure speculation but that other person could of been the handler, the snap in snap out person, id guess they'd want to snap them out of it before the authorities arrived.

EG I just look for pattern

[Kelly]

First off, let's agree on some terms. I see the word "conspiracy" tossed around all the time so can we start there?

Conspiracy is defined as "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful." There has never been a proven link between either of these guys and any other support person. The guns used were easily traced to their origin and no other arrests were made. I told you bro, stick to facts because I'm going to call out every time someone posts 'coincidence' in lieu of 'fact'. Unless you can clearly present an Occam's Razor (there was another gun found in the school with a different set of prints for example) then all this stuff just makes you look illogical.

I'm not even going to address eyewitness testimony. I think we all know where that will go.

Lastly the idea of a bulletproof vest doesn't bother me at all. I think inherently people have a desire to live. Here's an interesting fact for you that applies to this: There have been 1500 known people to jump from the Golden Gate bridge (source: http://www.suicide.org/golden-gate-bridge-suicides.html ). An interesting thing to note however is almost NO ONE jumps facing the ocean. People jump towards the city, towards people and towards hope.

So yeah, it doesn't bother me at all that a suicide mission involves a vest.

[EvilGrins]

Let me ask you something SUP. When was the last time you heard of a guy go out to kill a bunch of people that wasn't wearing some form of body-armor?

Even a crazy person can see they stand a better chance on killing more people if they don't die too soon. People have been using body armor for ages. It's not like it's a foreign concept, you can practically buy the stuff at Walmart.

Weird place that Walmart.

Hmmmm, there's a thought. Walmart manipulated them into killing those kids!

[-SuPreMe-]

Your just being silly now really.

[EvilGrins]

Your just being silly now really.

More often than not... besides, how do you know Walmart didn't do it?

EG I just look for pattern

Two kids going crazy or just being REAL sick in the head IS a pattern unto itself.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/operatio.htm
In detail on Project Monarch

1) Keep in mind you're talking to a guy now, me if that wasn't clear, who both believes in and practices magik, that Monarch is pure fantasy. It's actually been the basis of some TV shows, including one Christian Slater did for FOX a few years ago.

Good show too. Sorry it got cancelled after just 1 season.

2) Details of Monarch are a little sketchy and suffers the same issue. Despite the feasibility of it being practically used, it's theoretical not only to reality but to this situation. Who would've used this on that kid?

3) A base problem I have with all of this is it's based on the concept that you stated WAY earlier in this thread. That it's hard to believe that someone might randomly snap and do violence. Remember the Columbine massacre? Those two shooters weren't at all crazy. They methodically planned and organized and prepped themselves, and they were kids.

It's not as unthinkable as all that.

4) I did find The Monarch interesting up to the THETA stage. Got a little too "The Men Who Stare At Goats" there.