Recent school shooting in US, gun reform

[-SuPreMe-]

Cognitive Dissonance is an interesting term.

So what EG you practice magick and are into the occult?
Oh dear where do i even start onto how thats a bad decision....

Yet you think monarch is purely fantasy, you should look into the whole Disney involvement, very naive indeed.

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Men Who Stare at Goats is based on reality, did you not catch that bit?

Reality is stranger than fiction.
TV Shows & Movies are always based or loosely based off an aspect of reality be it in metaphor or in a clear or unclear context.
Specially as most high budget producers are zionists.
Tell Lie Vision makes people believe all sorts of things are mere fantasy.
When you get your reality from the TV you remain in ignorance.

I truly am done here.

I got the Cannabis Cures Cancer stuff to sort out ON FACEBOOK AND COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO KELLY IN AN IMAGE OF FLYERS THAT I GOT SENT IN THE MAIL THAT I JUST HAPPEND TO TAG HIM IN THATS ALL ok

[Kelly]

I didn't post this to facebook but I will post it here hoping you will listen to me.

As someone facing the end of me it's incredibly cruel to promote something that will 'cure' me that has no scientific value whatsoever. Just because there is anecdotal evidence that some people recovered it's at best coincidental. You see these same number of people recover who refuse treatment too. It has nothing to do with whatever <insert miracle cure> the organization is hawking and this has been borne out with study after study.

All I'm asking is that you strongly consider before dangling hope in front of someone who will eventually have to say goodbye to everyone they love. Words like "cure" and "total remission" and "disease free" carry a lot of weight when it's the thing you most desperately want in the entire world.

It's very different than debating a viewpoint, this is many people's death sentence and telling them it doesn't have to be should only be done if you KNOW it to be absolutely true. If you ignore that then you are committing quite an indecent act against a fellow human being. Trust me, I look into these people's eyes every day as we wait for our turn in the linear accelerator. I think if you were asked to stand there in front of them and present your case you might feel differently too.

Thanks for listening to this and I will not respond in Facebook. A debate doesn't belong there but I do hope you consider this.

[Hermskii]

Not taking from the Kelly and Supreme discussion but I'm curious about what several of you folks here think about this. Watch it if you can too! Don't just read it.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/201 ... 52415.html

[-SuPreMe-]

Oh Kelly that post really did make me sad, its sad that you choose to take it negatively. Again blind dismissal if you actually take the time and research you will find the medical benefits are endless and that there is LOADS of scientific proof.

Not only is it used to CURE some cancers but its used to rid of the nausea and generally make the recovery process more pleasant.

Im not gonna go into all the details, pisses me off that you choose to react this way, im not giving false hope im giving you information that could save your "Expletive Deleted" life because I care.

You cant use your preconceptions to dismiss and get all pissy about it.
Also run away from it on facebook, the chat feature is a nifty tool and im always logged into it when on facebook, theres no harm in just messaging me is there?

Its like jumping into a big tangled mess of string with you sometimes, im not even gonna bother from past experience.

[Kelly]

Do you know what an ad hominem argument is? It's where you attack the person and not the position. I just thought I'd point this out to you so we can not do it in the future. I've used extreme care to not be condescending or inappropriate to you and it bothers me a bit that you resort to flailing at my past transgressions as a way to shore up your positions.

BTW, I took the liberty of doing the research for you. There are no studies that show any form of cannabis or hemp cures any form of cancer. There are interesting trials where it seemed to suppress the growth of cancer in mice (especially lung cancer) but that's a far cry from a cure. Even using the best-case scenarios that these studies provided you know the eventual outcome to each of them? Without traditional medical intervention the cancer is still going to kill you. That's what you are going to hang your hat on? That's like saying that letting your house burn down slower by fighting it with a garden hose is somehow more acceptable than just letting the fire gut the house at normal speed. In the end you lose anyway.

And lastly, let's keep this civil. Herm let me back in the door as a courtesy and that can be revoked at any time. I'm happy to be proved wrong if you think you can but I'm equally unhappy to be labeled as that same troublemaker because I'm not.

And for bonus points here's some reading:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/ ... s-reality/

[-SuPreMe-]

I truly dont know how your concluding there are no health benefits, (Cancer cures are suppressed) bah forgot you lol remain with your left right paradigm.

You just dismiss everything I say and replace it with left brain smartassery.
Thats the problem I think your one of those people that only see credibility in "official" and government funded studies and "officially released information" blah blah blah. You need everything delivered to you in a manner your simply comfortable with and used to, If anything out of the "norm" comes along its seen as a threat and must be extinguished, Cognitive Dissonance.

You all have too much trust in the system and the government (conventional information and protocol)

Im not gonna reply anymore ive said enough forget this forum, im dealing with a bunch of old men stuck in their ways.

Sorry Herm for the heat.

[Kelly]

You didn't even read my link did you? This is why it's incredibly easy to dismiss what you say. You don't research anything.

Now as a person battling the disease and facing my own mortality I think I've earned the right to say this (respectfully): Put up or shut up about it. Show me some proof so perhaps my life can be spared and I can see my daughter get married or my son have his first child. If you don't have that and you keep up with touting your 'cures' then I sincerely hope you don't find yourself in my position someday.

And just for fun.
Vitamin C as a 'cure' (I get this one a lot): Link

[-SuPreMe-]

Just browsed it up and down no sign of cannabis mention, did a Ctrl F search typed cannabis typed marijuana typed weed nothing, So your link is bullshit its all about dismissing alternative treatments yet does not even mention cannabis so how is it of any use, its a typical right wing write up.

[-SuPreMe-]

Your just using emotional blackmail and using your condition as ammo and to almost shame me, you should be even more ashamed of your self for that, and you should also be ashamed of yourself for missing my good intentions.

Good luck to you.

[Kelly]

Nowhere did I say it was a rebuttal to cannabis. Do you only read what you want to read? That explains quite a lot.

And I'm not using my position any more than you are by declaring yourself open minded because you are young and me close-minded and daft because I'm middle aged. We each appeal to the other considering our place in life and our experiences.

In a way I kind of feel for you. I've chatted you for several years now and you are certainly no dummy. In fact I'd guess you are much brighter than average and you also care about how you are perceived. Your posts are ordered, spelled correctly, punctuated, and well spoken. Because of that I'm just a bit thrown off by your insistence on this. Have you not applied those same logical reasonings to what you think here too?

I'm in agreement with you that this needs to come to a close. How about I'll end here, you can add a rebuttal post after this and I'll agree not to respond. Fair enough? Then we can dispense with this and go back to being friends.

[Hermskii]

This old man has to side with Kelly. If pot cured and form of cancer at all the governments of the world would be all over it and they aren't. No smoke, no fire as they say. i do appreciate you two keeping it pretty nice. It is obvious you can't agree but hopefully came a little closer together in some aspect or another.

Sorry I'm old Supreme but Kelly and I have both seen lots more than most people you know. We too were wide eyed and hopeful as hell about all sorts of things at some point in our lives and possibly still carry a torch for some belief or another but you'll find as you get older (smarter and wiser too) that you just have to see and or touch stuff with your own eyes or it isn't real.

I'd love for pot to be the cure for cancer but it isn't. It hasn't shown in a hard core test that it even comes close in a human trial. I did not read everyone's links. I'm going off being as old as I am and as informed as I to know know that if pot got any real kind of credit for curing any real kind of cancer, everybody and I mean everybody everywhere would be all over milking it for the final fix and nobody is THUS my old brain MUST conclude pot does not cure cancer currently. Peace and I mean PEACE!

[-SuPreMe-]

Well actually Herm, medical weed is becoming legal in more and more states because of the huge pushing the people have been doing to their government.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term ... d%20cancer many many studies here

Anyway i said in other posts that cancer cures are suppressed and that there is too much trust in your government. It not a friendly government its really not, its a government of terrorists who sit in the zionist bank masters back pocket.

Can you honestly tell me the USA is not run by sick twisted individuals? Look around man.

Cancer serves the depopulation agenda it also keeps the privately owned hospitals in business and gives big pharmaceuticals plenty of revenue, no its not easy to hear and acknowledge but its a truth and when you really look it becomes clear. We can send a robot to Mars, probe some rocks and send back photos and data but we cant cure cancer?

Kelly dont feel sorry for me, I believe what i believe because the path i have taken and research i have done has uncovered many things to me which shed light on a very unseen picture of our reality, which gives me a very different perspective and understanding of many things.

Back when we used to chat 2 yrs or so ago, I was a very different person leading a very different life.

I respect you though kelly as your always able to remain civilized despite your emotions.
Ever feeling curious then message me on facebook im always open to chat.
I wish you all the best on your recovery because you will recover i can feel it.

Anyway regarding my input here I close it.

[Feralidragon]

We can send a robot to Mars, probe some rocks and send back photos and data but we cant cure cancer?

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I just read that line and I had to say something about it:
- we can send a robot to Mars but we still can't manage to dig more than a few kilometers into our own planet crust. Can you understand why?
If you understand, then probably you can understand how curing cancer and other diseases are far more complex issues than sending a robot to Mars, to not mention different?
We can build extremely powerful computers and complex network systems around the globe, yet we still fail to understand how our own brain works, anything that has to do with biology is incomparably more complex than building technology and sending it to space, you cannot ever possibly think that if we can send a robot to even outside our solar system that we can automatically have the ability to find the cure for AIDS, cancer and other types of diseases.

I am not saying that you're right or wrong about the whole subject, and I agree that things are kept hidden (specially in technology, many of the things we have today started as military projects), but your whole argument fails in that line alone if you're going to *assume* that cures were found only because we can do other extraordinary things in totally unrelated fields.

[-SuPreMe-]

^^^ way to pick at the most trivial part out of all my posts.

Now read the studies i linked in the same post

[Feralidragon]

Perhaps you should re-read my post first? Allow me to quote myself:

I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I just read that line and I had to say something about it

I am not saying that you're right or wrong about the whole subject, and I agree that things are kept hidden

Also a sentence like that is everything but trivial, it's a discussion killer because that sentence alone shows how you really think, it's not a study, it's not evidence, it's how you think, and from that sentence alone you are telling us that since we can send robots to Mars then we should automagically have the knowledge in how to cure cancer, and I am just telling you that thinking like that is not logical.
I don't need to see the studies or anything like that since I am not participating on discussions about that, I am just pointing out that your way of thinking with that line alone is flawed and is an argument fallacy. Nothing less and nothing more.